Diesel DEF and Bee's

Stompin Tom · Jan 21, 2018

Has anybody else beeing hearing about this? Suddenly becoming an issue and starting to hit the fan.

The coles notes version is there appears to be a direct relation between the advent of DEF fluid about 7 or 8 years ago and the sudden decline of Bee's about 5 years ago. Supposedly one the the chemicals in DEF fluid causes bee's to loose their sense of smell and they can no long find flowers because of it? Im no rhodes scholar and somebody can do a much better job of explaining it, but it sounds like this might be legit and a possible reason for all of us to be able to stop using the stuff.

freeflorider · Jan 21, 2018

Stompin Tom said:
Has anybody else beeing hearing about this? Suddenly becoming an issue and starting to hit the fan.

The coles notes version is there appears to be a direct relation between the advent of DEF fluid about 7 or 8 years ago and the sudden decline of Bee's about 5 years ago. Supposedly one the the chemicals in DEF fluid causes bee's to loose their sense of smell and they can no long find flowers because of it? Im no rhodes scholar and somebody can do a much better job of explaining it, but it sounds like this might be legit and a possible reason for all of us to be able to stop using the stuff.

heard something about this too, also I was told a romour that the state of California is planning on discontinuing the use of def because it’s causing cancer.
saving the planet is killing us.

Stompin Tom · Jan 21, 2018

freeflorider said:
heard something about this too, also I was told a romour that the state of California is planning on discontinuing the use of def because it’s causing cancer.
saving the planet is killing us.

better tell that to the mechanics who enjoy being able to run the trucks with the doors closed in the shops

Got boost want snow · Jan 21, 2018

Stompin Tom said:
better tell that to the mechanics who enjoy being able to run the trucks with the doors closed in the shops

Seems like a pretty dumb thing to do as you still have carbon monoxide from the exhaust, a very silent killer!!!

zal · Jan 21, 2018

freeflorider said:
heard something about this too, also I was told a romour that the state of California is planning on discontinuing the use of def because it’s causing cancer.
saving the planet is killing us.

Just texted a buddy of mine who is a heavy duty mech at an ag university in CA and said he hasn't heard of anything. But than again, it wouldn't surprise him. A couple years ago, CA tried to ban all internal combustion engines...

Bisch · Jan 21, 2018

http://www.bbc.com/news/24364637

Bisch · Jan 21, 2018

The article was about the bee sensitivity and loss of ability to seek out floral scents due to NOx (mono nitrogen oxide) released. DEF (aqueous urea) lowers the NOx in the exhaust. So perhaps is not DEF, but more attacks on diesel as an automotive fuel.

SamStorm · Jan 21, 2018

Bisch said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/24364637

No doubt would be a big issue in Europe as a large number of the vehicles on the roads over there are diesel.

Merc63 · Jan 21, 2018

Bring on the electric trucks and cars. Tesla is doing amazing things. The Roadster broke into the 8s in the 1/4, insane for a production car.

100% torque from 1rpm, electric big rigs will change things.

JayT · Jan 21, 2018

100% torque from 1rpm, electric big rigs will change things.[/QUOTE]

There's a reason why they use electric motors in trains. That will be amazing for big rigs

Hoehand79 · Jan 21, 2018

Ya instead of pipelining we can start powerlining lol

Cdnfireman · Jan 21, 2018

JayT said:
100% torque from 1rpm, electric big rigs will change things.

There's a reason why they use electric motors in trains. That will be amazing for big rigs[/QUOTE]

Gonna be a long way off yet. Battery technology is still barely acceptable for small cars let alone a big truck. At the end of the day, it still boils down to total output power. Current battery technology still doesn’t provide high current draw with any degree of longevity or reliability.

JayT · Jan 21, 2018

Gonna be a long way off yet. Battery technology is still barely acceptable for small cars let alone a big truck. At the end of the day, it still boils down to total output power. Current battery technology still doesn’t provide high current draw with any degree of longevity or reliability.[/QUOTE]

This technology is moving faster than ever before. Big trucks have the capacity to carry bigger batteries as well so I don't think it'll be that far off considering Tesla has come out with a semi already. I think the only thing stopping it is the fact that there are not enough charging stations around, but that will be soon rectified. Just to be clear I'm not necessarily on board with electric charging stations everywhere, but it will happen either way.

j335 · Jan 21, 2018

JayT said:
Gonna be a long way off yet. Battery technology is still barely acceptable for small cars let alone a big truck. At the end of the day, it still boils down to total output power. Current battery technology still doesn’t provide high current draw with any degree of longevity or reliability.

This technology is moving faster than ever before. Big trucks have the capacity to carry bigger batteries as well so I don't think it'll be that far off considering Tesla has come out with a semi already. I think the only thing stopping it is the fact that there are not enough charging stations around, but that will be soon rectified. Just to be clear I'm not necessarily on board with electric charging stations everywhere, but it will happen either way.[/QUOTE]

The real hurdle is the amount of tax money the US keeps wanting to drop into developing the technology while going further into dept...

Merc63 · Jan 21, 2018

Cdnfireman said:
There's a reason why they use electric motors in trains. That will be amazing for big rigs

Gonna be a long way off yet. Battery technology is still barely acceptable for small cars let alone a big truck. At the end of the day, it still boils down to total output power. Current battery technology still doesn’t provide high current draw with any degree of longevity or reliability.[/QUOTE]

Ive seen lots of Tesla cars on the road already...300-400km range on a charge I believe. It will be here sooner than you think.

Hoehand79 · Jan 21, 2018

Next think you will be snow checking a little battery powered sled merc lol

the_real_wild1 · Jan 21, 2018

Merc63 said:
Gonna be a long way off yet. Battery technology is still barely acceptable for small cars let alone a big truck. At the end of the day, it still boils down to total output power. Current battery technology still doesn’t provide high current draw with any degree of longevity or reliability.

Ive seen lots of Tesla cars on the road already...300-400km range on a charge I believe. It will be here sooner than you think.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if all of their cars have a long wait time but I know someone that was on a 2 year wait list that just got the call to go in a configure their new Telsa. Two more months I think to build it.

Batteries still don't do that great with cold so hopefully they figure all that out soon and bring the cost down.

busted2x · Jan 21, 2018

JayT said:
100% torque from 1rpm, electric big rigs will change things.

There's a reason why they use electric motors in trains. That will be amazing for big rigs[/QUOTE]

Yes, but have you seen how much diesel a train burns to be able to run those motors for long periods of time?

JayT · Jan 21, 2018

busted2x said:
There's a reason why they use electric motors in trains. That will be amazing for big rigs

Yes, but have you seen how much diesel a train burns to be able to run those motors for long periods of time?[/QUOTE]

Have you seen how much weight those trains pull? Trucks are a very small scale comparably

JayT · Jan 21, 2018

Pretty impressive specs if you look into it

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