snopro
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Derek Fildebrandt has bowed out today throwing Brian Jean under the bus in the process. Who's it gonna be? Jean or Kenney? Who's got the best chance of telling Turdeau to stuff his carbon tax where the sun don't shine?
Fildebrandt out! Who's going to win?
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firstdoo
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I'm worried that Kenney has not come out with his own policies (he has asked what the constituents want). This doesn't actually tell us what he truly stands behind, other than defeating the NDP in the next election. I'm also worried about Jean. He's always been a little too far right for me. Jean's platform that he laid out is solely structured to help buy votes to try to win him the leadership. I have not personally talked to Jean, but I have spent about 45 minutes talking 1 on 1 with Jason Kenney. I have always been a conservative. I am also a private sector union member. Kenney understands the difference between private and public sector unions. For those that don't know, and this is my own personal opinion, a private sector union member is and has to be (or at lease should be) a capitalist at heart. The more profitable your employer is, the more profitable your client is, with in turn makes you more profitable. On the other hand, private sector unions have changed into a leaching mob. The government is partly to blame for this from before i was born. I can't back Jean if he can't learn the difference between the two. Kenney on the other hand has history with being able to work with private sector union members.
No matter who wins the leadership, they need to listen to the wants of the constituents, know the need for the province, and start running the government like a fiscally responsible business.
No matter who wins the leadership, they need to listen to the wants of the constituents, know the need for the province, and start running the government like a fiscally responsible business.
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I'm hoping for Brian, Kenney smells too much like the old PC party for me. Brian has posted videos of himself riverboating and has campaigned to reopen areas to ATV's, which are big points for me. I'm really worried that Jason has no platform at the moment, I have a hard time trusting someone that is unable/unwilling to lay their cards on the table. Taking Trump for an example, I don't necessarily agree with his ideals but I know where he stands on most topics.
On the Carbon tax delema, both Jean and Kenney have agreed to get rid of the tax, but with Trudeaus new tax he will collect it instead and spend it how he sees fit. I hope in this case both are intelligent enough to keep the tax and have a gas tax rebate and maybe a similar natural gas rebate so we Albertan's can decide how the money is spent.
On the Carbon tax delema, both Jean and Kenney have agreed to get rid of the tax, but with Trudeaus new tax he will collect it instead and spend it how he sees fit. I hope in this case both are intelligent enough to keep the tax and have a gas tax rebate and maybe a similar natural gas rebate so we Albertan's can decide how the money is spent.
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snopro
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I don't have a problem with Jean other than he rivals Turdeau for worst public speaker award in all of Canada. I think a guy like Kenney who is more polished will make shiny pony look pretty ordinary. Both will make great leaders but my vote is Kenney. He stuck his neck out leaving a cushy federal position to make this whole thing come to reality. Without his vision and hard work we wouldn't be talking about punting the NDP right now. No way the Wildrose would have pulled it off on there own.
ABMax24
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You're right kenney played a large part in this, but to me he was a pawn in a larger game and his usefulness has now come to a close.
And it wasn't really his vision anyway, it had been talked about on both sides and by many others, he had just put himself in a position to do something about it, imagine if Brian Jean had proposed it first, he probably would have been alienated by his party in the same way Danielle Smith was, I could definitely see him believing such an action to be political suicide.
Jason Kenny had 4 different federal cabinet positions while Brian had 1 assistant position a cabinet member. Can't even compare the two federal political experiences.
Brian seems like a nice guy but I just think Jason will get more done for the this province.
Brian seems like a nice guy but I just think Jason will get more done for the this province.
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snopro
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What is the larger game you talk about? I don't see Kenney as a pawn in anything myself? Please explain?
firstdoo
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Having a conservative government in Alberta is obviously the goal we all need to work towards. WE need to do it. Call/email the UCP and get involved. See what the parties needs are and help to get this done. They might need people to work the phones, go door to door, maybe you could be the person the party is looking for as a MLA candidate. Get involved. Just because there's a new party does not mean the next election is in the bag. That being said, it's going to be a tough battle. The only way we pull the province out of the awful position we are in is at both the provincial and federal level. Electing the UCP in Alberta will cause the federal government to impose their socialist left wing ideology on a province that has been the economic driving force of the country for the past few decades. Case in point is the carbon tax. The NDP implemented it years before the Liberals would have forced it on us. Everyone thinks that now that its here we can't get rid of it. This is true..... while the Liberals are still in at the federal level. (Side note: if I'm not mistaken, a carbon tax imposed by the federal government will be returned to the province of origin.) What we truly need is for the Liberals to lose the next federal election (Oct '19 - 26 months from now) and have the Conservatives back in power.
Just my 2 cents.
ABMax24
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No you can't compare the 2, but at the same time experience isn't everything, Ralph Klein was a TV reporter and that worked out pretty well for us.
Like I said to me he used was to get the 2 parties to merge, that has now been completed, I personally have no use for him anymore.
Pistonbroke
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1. Canada needs the NDP out of power in every province.
2. Canada NEEDS the Liberals out of federal power at the next election. Not the one after that.
Result:
3. Alberta once again fuels the country with local oil, we don't end up a socialist welfare state in an unrecoverable position full of <ahem> refugees that vote in chapter 2 of said socialist gov't. This thereby halts the perpetuation of the cycle and stops the country from fawking itself up the azz with a cactus as we are already on the path to.
2. Canada NEEDS the Liberals out of federal power at the next election. Not the one after that.
Result:
3. Alberta once again fuels the country with local oil, we don't end up a socialist welfare state in an unrecoverable position full of <ahem> refugees that vote in chapter 2 of said socialist gov't. This thereby halts the perpetuation of the cycle and stops the country from fawking itself up the azz with a cactus as we are already on the path to.
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snopro
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Lol I'm sure he's not losing sleep knowing he doesn't have your vote.
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And todays news shows Fildebrandt was putting his taxpayer-funded apartment on AirBNB when he's not using it. Sounds like he's part of "the swamp" to me. His statement "part of the modern sharing economy" scares me....smells distinctly socialist....
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...gs-on-airbnb-while-claiming-housing-allowance
Personally, I'm going to vote for Brian Jean.
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...gs-on-airbnb-while-claiming-housing-allowance
Personally, I'm going to vote for Brian Jean.
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snopro
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I agree on Fildebrandt. Not good optics for a tax watchdog for sure. I just listened to Both Brian Jean and Jason Kenney a few minutes ago do segments on QR radio with Danielle Smith. Is there still like A Dale Carnegie speaking course out there? Brian Jean is rivaled only by Justin Turdeau for worst political speaker in Canada right now. I think he would make a great leader and I would be fine with him as such but would rather see Jason Kenney who is much more literally functional. I wanna bang my head against the wall everytime I listen to Jean speak. Its the same line over and over again
Cat401
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What is Jason Kenney's stance or belief's on the "off road' industry?
I know Brian Jean is "all in" on supporting this industry...or at least making it fair.
That is the one thing I dislike about how Kenney is handling his views on certain topics...actually ALL topics.....he has decided to not have any opinion and leave it to the party to decide. Certainly he has opinions and beliefs that he will try and put through as a future leader....why not come forward and disclose that so I know who I am voting for.
Being a good speaker is great but how about showing us "who you are" and "what you stand for"
I know Brian Jean is "all in" on supporting this industry...or at least making it fair.
That is the one thing I dislike about how Kenney is handling his views on certain topics...actually ALL topics.....he has decided to not have any opinion and leave it to the party to decide. Certainly he has opinions and beliefs that he will try and put through as a future leader....why not come forward and disclose that so I know who I am voting for.
Being a good speaker is great but how about showing us "who you are" and "what you stand for"
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snopro
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I believe I remember him talking that he supports back country access for off roaders. He explained today on the segment with Danielle Smith that he has lots of opinions and stances on issues and he has not tried to hide them. All he is saying is the grass roots party members should have the choice to decide what the parties platform will be, not the person running for the leadership. He is giving all the power to us the members? What is wrong with that? Everytime there is an election anywhere the politicians promise us the world and then never come through. Is that the way we want to start a new party?
catalac
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Fildebrandt has always kind of seemed a bit off to me, and once again another self serving politician surfaces. Seems kind of coincidental that he stated yesterday that he wouldn't run for leadership and today story breaks on tax payer funded bnb... me thinks he got the heads up on the story.
Cat401
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But will "we", the "grass roots party members", get to make these choices before the leadership election or after the leader is elected?
Nothing wrong with Kenney's stance if all the decisions are made before the leadership vote....
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snopro
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I think its a leap of faith Cat. If you want a say in the direction of the party vote Kenney. If you want what Jean wants then vote Jean?
Pistonbroke
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Fawk both of 'em. Word has it Brad Wall just became available!
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