Positive news on Pipelines from Trudeau

eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

the problem is that Americans and I bet Trump have no idea who their largest trading partner is. Although China has passed us marginally in recent years in terms of selling to the Americans but Canada with 37 million people is still USA largest customer by a long shot. So, in other means, Trump wants to screw his biggest customer with re-negotiations on NAFTA. This is when we need leaders with the kahunas to be strong.

johnnytrail said:
he needs us as much as we need him. should be a fair deal to be had for both sides while giving Mejico a shot . only problem as I see it is our goverment leaders are mostly useless at proper negotiations . Trudeau already saying he is willing to talk before Trump even in office ! If he had any business acumen his first statement to trump should only be after Trump asks and it should be to nicely tell him to frig off as there is already an agreement in place

johnnytrail · Nov 30, 2016

eclipse1966 said:
the problem is that Americans and I bet Trump have no idea who their largest trading partner is. Although China has passed us marginally in recent years in terms of selling to the Americans but Canada with 37 million people is still USA largest customer by a long shot. So, in other means, Trump wants to screw his biggest customer with re-negotiations on NAFTA. This is when we need leaders with the kahunas to be strong.

Trump Know Canada is the USA's biggest customer . that one reason why he doesnt like TPP it would help us trade without needing the US .

rzrgade · Nov 30, 2016

Not a matter of praising trump ... These are just facts . What we need is huge American investment , built in western Canada .. Like Ralph used to capitalize on ... When you sink , they sink and vice versa... Head to head , we lose ...
We have lost most of our ability to compete , simply put.
We are over regulated , over environmentally regulated , over taxed ,over protested, over special interested ... And the list goes on & on !
If you had billions to invest ,really .. It's an easy choice !
This is not trumps fault ( ironically it helped him get elected ) this is a Canadian attitude that is growing in leaps and bounds ...!
The idea that part of our country will pay 4 times more for a product from a hostile competitor , apposed to a fellow province , only goes to show how incompetent our business acumen has become .

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Pinner · Nov 30, 2016

Yep

He won't **** with us...we are the top traders of 38 states, he doesn't like Ghina or Mexico

rzrgade · Nov 30, 2016

eclipse1966 said:
the problem is that Americans and I bet Trump have no idea who their largest trading partner is. Although China has passed us marginally in recent years in terms of selling to the Americans but Canada with 37 million people is still USA largest customer by a long shot. So, in other means, Trump wants to screw his biggest customer with re-negotiations on NAFTA. This is when we need leaders with the kahunas to be strong.

Bring it on we have knothead & and a hell of a snowboarder....
What could go wrong ?

Pinner · Nov 30, 2016

I think Trump might be good for Canadian investments, the market likes stability, Trump's government could be rocky and unpredictable based on midnight provocations & tweets. He's an IDIOT lol

eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

I am not sure if that is the case. Keep in mind it was the Americans who wanted TPP as they were losing their grip on controlling countries that more or less did not follow the World Trade agreements which was a US based written agreement from around 1956 I believe. If that went thru the US corporation had much more influence on companies in places like Malaysia etc. Here in Canada IMO it would have been a disaster especially in the agri business which I am in. just my 2cents worth.

johnnytrail said:
Trump Know Canada is the USA's biggest customer . that one reason why he doesnt like TPP it would help us trade without needing the US .

eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

I have been in the trade business for 25 years. I have seen it all. The problem in Canada is that we all work individually i.e. provincially and corporately. I have seen off shore companies peg off small producers because we lack communication amongst ourselves whereas the Americans communicate. I have actually heard from foreigners saying we are gullible and lack business savvy to get it done. It is a shame!!!

rzrgade said:
Not a matter of praising trump ... These are just facts . What we need is huge American investment , built in western Canada .. Like Ralph used to capitalize on ... When you sink , they sink and vice versa... Head to head , we lose ...
We have lost most of our ability to compete , simply put.
We are over regulated , over environmentally regulated , over taxed ,over protested, over special interested ... And the list goes on & on !
If you had billions to invest ,really .. It's an easy choice !
This is not trumps fault ( ironically it helped him get elected ) this is a Canadian attitude that is growing in leaps and bounds ...!
The idea that part of our country will pay 4 times more for a product from a hostile competitor , apposed to a fellow province , only goes to show how incompetent our business acumen has become .

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Pinner · Nov 30, 2016

eclipse1966 said:
I have been in the trade business for 25 years. I have seen it all. The problem in Canada is that we all work individually i.e. provincially and corporately. I have seen off shore companies peg off small producers because we lack communication amongst ourselves whereas the Americans communicate. I have actually heard from foreigners saying we are gullible and lack business savvy to get it done. It is a shame!!!

How do we fix that ?

eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

unfortunately it is tough for many reasons. I guess that is what makes us "different" compared to the Americans. Being different is good but also has its bad side too. All I can say is do not fear your local competition. Call them, compare notes etc etc. Stand together. Thats what they do south of the border especially in the field that I am in. For example, in the late '80's and 90's Canada was a power house exporting alfalfa hay cubes and pellets to the Orient. The producers here were working solo. Over the years, US producers got together, negotiated various agreements to get their hay cubes/pellets to market and slowly slowly forced the Canadian's to close shop. M/while, to this date Japan imports thousands of tons of hay cubes/pellets from the US. Exact same thing happened with the ginseng market. Canada used to be #2 exporter and now we are not even on the map as other countries took our market share. I am sure there are many examples of similar in other manufacturing businesses.

Pinner said:
How do we fix that ?

rzrgade · Nov 30, 2016

A lot of the "reasons "we are at this stage and don't communicate is simply ... Too much regulation!
Generally speaking , by the time an " idea" gets through due process in Canada , it is already up and running in other countries ....
As much as I would love to see Canada and particularly the west refine and develop more in house goods . I am of the opinion that , 90 % of the time there are simply too many hurdles to jump
Over ....
I have been doing real estate development for a long , long time... Never have I seen so much red tape , it's sad because it is castrating the little entrepreneurial spirit left in this country !

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eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

I will agree with that (I am going thru those stages now and driving me nuts!) but there is more to that. The lack of communication amongst businesses that have gone thru the brick and mortar stages and all they had to do was produce, sell and ship to an existing market.

rzrgade said:
A lot of the "reasons "we are at this stage and don't communicate is simply ... Too much regulation!
Generally speaking , by the time an " idea" gets through due process in Canada , it is already up and running in other countries ....
As much as I would love to see Canada and particularly the west refine and develop more in house goods . I am of the opinion that , 90 % of the time there are simply too many hurdles to jump
Over ....
I have been doing real estate development for a long , long time... Never have I seen so much red tape , it's sad because it is castrating the little entrepreneurial spirit left in this country !

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Cdnfireman · Nov 30, 2016

Enough of this bull$hit. Let's encourage the U.S. To annex Alberta, sask, BC and the territories. and make us the next 6 states. No more having to put up with the freeloaders in Quebec and the maritimes. No more getting raped on every conceivable consumer item, Telecom, air fare,fuel, food and the list goes on. No more enforced bilingualism. Put the Indians back in their place. Throw our "constitution" in the garbage where it belongs so we can live under a system where individual rights are the priority and not an afterthought after government power. Western Canada has been disadvantage by being in confederation since day one. With all the resources Canada has our wealth should rival Saudi Arabia but it doesn't because half of Canada sits on its ass while the other half gives it a free ride. Time to split this country in two and get on with life.

eclipse1966 · Nov 30, 2016

you wanna join a country that is trillions in debt?? hmmmmm They have similar problems but different players. Plus who is going to pay for medicare, currency, CPP, military etc etc. The list goes on. It would have been better if Quebec just separated and most of our east/west problems would be much better.

Cdnfireman said:
Enough of this bull$hit. Let's encourage the U.S. To annex Alberta, sask, BC and the territories. and make us the next 6 states. No more having to put up with the freeloaders in Quebec and the maritimes. No more getting raped on every conceivable consumer item, Telecom, air fare,fuel, food and the list goes on. No more enforced bilingualism. Put the Indians back in their place. Throw our "constitution" in the garbage where it belongs so we can live under a system where individual rights are the priority and not an afterthought after government power. Western Canada has been disadvantage by being in confederation since day one. With all the resources Canada has our wealth should rival Saudi Arabia but it doesn't because half of Canada sits on its ass while the other half gives it a free ride. Time to split this country in two and get on with life.

Pinner · Nov 30, 2016

Cdnfireman said:
Enough of this bull$hit. Let's encourage the U.S. To annex Alberta, sask, BC and the territories. and make us the next 6 states. No more having to put up with the freeloaders in Quebec and the maritimes. No more getting raped on every conceivable consumer item, Telecom, air fare,fuel, food and the list goes on. No more enforced bilingualism. Put the Indians back in their place. Throw our "constitution" in the garbage where it belongs so we can live under a system where individual rights are the priority and not an afterthought after government power. Western Canada has been disadvantage by being in confederation since day one. With all the resources Canada has our wealth should rival Saudi Arabia but it doesn't because half of Canada sits on its ass while the other half gives it a free ride. Time to split this country in two and get on with life.

Hey people, do not partake in they drugs this guy is on

Cdnfireman · Nov 30, 2016

Pinner said:
Hey people, do not partake in they drugs this guy is on

Nope, just sit back and watch as the Canadian economy goes down the toilet. The industrialized parts of eastern Canada are on the decline and will continue to do so. Ontario and Quebec are screwed. Declining tax base with a debt load as big as California. The strength of Canada now lies in the west, and it's ability to utilize its resources. Wealth generated in the states for the most part stays in the state where it was generated, not shipped off to be "redistributed". The only thing Canada has better than the states is our health care system, and at its current rate will be unsustainable in the next decade or so. We all depend on trade with the U.S. to survive economically whether you admit it or not. Thinking we're morally superior and being anti-American is being hypocritical.

rzrgade · Nov 30, 2016

The health care is debatable too... lol

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Couch · Nov 30, 2016

Cdnfireman said:
Enough of this bull$hit. Let's encourage the U.S. To annex Alberta, sask, BC and the territories. and make us the next 6 states. No more having to put up with the freeloaders in Quebec and the maritimes. No more getting raped on every conceivable consumer item, Telecom, air fare,fuel, food and the list goes on. No more enforced bilingualism. Put the Indians back in their place. Throw our "constitution" in the garbage where it belongs so we can live under a system where individual rights are the priority and not an afterthought after government power. Western Canada has been disadvantage by being in confederation since day one. With all the resources Canada has our wealth should rival Saudi Arabia but it doesn't because half of Canada sits on its ass while the other half gives it a free ride. Time to split this country in two and get on with life.

Bit of internalized resentment? Why not move south and help them build a wall and all of us freeloaders will promise to stay on this side of the line!!

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freeflorider · Nov 30, 2016

Pinner said:
Gateway was a ZERO chance pipeline from day one.

Trump has said Key XL is a done deal

Enbridge's "Trans Mountain" pipeline has been there for 60 years... most of those protesters don't even know that, it's a positive for the environment that they lay a new line down and double hull tankers, with the extra tugs do not threaten the environment.

Enbridge's Line 3 is also a replacement of old line...

What the **** is everybody protesting for ?

Gives people a perpose I guess. Groups Protest second growth logging, I'm like where were you the first round? I guess we will see you in 60 years again huh...

S.W.A.T. · Dec 1, 2016

It's true that many of the protesters don't know kinder Morgan is already there or that there is even oil tankers parking in Vancouver. Shhh don't tell them that there is even a couple small region on the west coast.

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