Is man made climate change real?

So all these new taxes on the way got me thinking, we have not yet seen any concrete evidence from our government that we humans are indeed responsible for climate change.

So....

1. Do you believe climate change is something man is responsible for.

2. Do you feel that a tax on CO2 emissions is gonna reverse the effects of climate change?

3. Where is the definitive scientific evidence?

skegpro said:

So all these new taxes on the way got me thinking, we have not yet seen any concrete evidence from our government that we humans are indeed responsible for climate change.

So....

1. Do you believe climate change is something man is responsible for.

2. Do you feel that a tax on CO2 emissions is gonna reverse the effects of climate change?

3. Where is the definitive scientific evidence?

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1.No.
2.Most definitely not.
3.I don't have it.

You're asking a bunch of hardcore conservatives for a discuss on climate change lol.

Of course we affect our environment, you'd have to be a fool to think we don't. The question is by how much are we affecting it? The earth's climate has always been changing, no one argues that fact. Global average temperatures have been increasing as well, that's another fact. Who's to blame, us or the planets natural cycles?

I doubt they are trying to reverse it, more likely limit our impact. If you put a price on emissions, it's the only way to make people and companies responsible for them. Is this the right time to start making the changes or are they coming in too hot, now that's another question.

For every article you read, you could find another thy says the complete opposite. People have agendas and in the end it always comes down to the same topic, money.

Mike270412 said:

1.No.
2.Most definitely not.
3.I don't have it.

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Ok thanks I figured as much.

Doubt the dinosaurs burnt much coal or drove to many places and look how that turned out for them.

Change is constant.

It's a way of putting a happy face on a systemic problem that we probably can't fix. Not saying we are doing this planet any favors, most probably speeding up the process, but can't for the life of me figure out how more taxes is going to change that. Most likely just a way of the government trying to reduce deficits without admitting the waste and squander to much of the other tax money.

Merc63 said:

You're asking a bunch of hardcore conservatives for a discuss on climate change lol.

Of course we affect our environment, you'd have to be a fool to think we don't. The question is by how much are we affecting it? The earth's climate has always been changing, no one argues that fact. Global average temperatures have been increasing as well, that's another fact. Who's to blame, us or the planets natural cycles?

I doubt they are trying to reverse it, more likely limit our impact. If you put a price on emissions, it's the only way to make people and companies responsible for them. Is this the right time to start making the changes or are they coming in too hot, now that's another question.

For every article you read, you could find another thy says the complete opposite. People have agendas and in the end it always comes down to the same topic, money.

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I admit I was kind of curious to see if there was any Liberal or NDP voters in here.

Obviously there must be as they are the populous party right now, and people seem to be welcoming these new climate change policies.

For what reason I don't fully understand.

S.W.A.T. said:

It's a way of putting a happy face on a systemic problem that we probably can't fix. Not saying we are doing this planet any favors, most probably speeding up the process, but can't for the life of me figure out how more taxes is going to change that. Most likely just a way of the government trying to reduce deficits without admitting the waste and squander to much of the other tax money.

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Well CO2 helps plants grow.

Well helps my POT plants grow anyways.
You would figure the liberal supporters would understand that..........

I don't think mankind is helping global warming, but we certainly aren't the major cause. any actions we take to limit emissions etc will have ZERO effect on the issue globally. Canada is just a small contributor, any measures taken by our country will only be to show how proactive we are to look good. everyone wants cheap chinese made sh!t so no one will go after the real problem countries

The problem with the "man made global warming" alarmists is this:

If the global temperatures go down...they will say "see...we saved the planet and we must continue being diligent to keep temperatures down"

If global temperatures rise...they will say "we haven't done enough to save the planet...we must do more or we are doomed"

Pollution is bad...mmm...kay

CO2 is not pollution.

The whole thing is about taxation and wealth redistribution. IMO.

No - There is no way its man.
No - it's time to start a revolution and dump all the carbon into the ocean! That'll show that ****ing hippy queen of england.
Fricking nothing but hockey stick graphs and other horse****. Such a load of BS.

I know for certain I can't heat my house any less and living 15min outside of brooks public transit is not an option for me. My family can not afford another tax. Especially on products essential to life.

maybe Leonardo and now the terminator can quit flying around the world burning a million times the fuel I burn making documentaries about how I am affecting the world. Fawking hypocrites if you ask me.

We were tropical once. And in an Ice age once. I'd say just a cycle.
And the taxes are a money grab.
But then what do I know. I'm just a dumb millwright and not a government sponsored scientist.

Earth or human made is good, then we can have one season,,, hummmmm,,, "Winntummer" lets say.

Winter and summer all in one season will save us billions and time.

We can have our snow shovels at the ready in August and go camping in Zama City in January, Ha.

All win win as we enjoy a hot day of +30c followed by a -40c the next.

Yuppers, globe warming will be good since it adds global freezing in other areas.

Bring on the Winntummer as change is good, "could" be as it means we might have too find a new way too live on the fast blue planet.

Lem Lamb excepting change as it comes

Good ol' Saskatchewan has the best thinking; instead of a carbon tax use an incentive to cleanup the emissions. Provide grants for the innovators of cleaner emissions. I agree, that most of the rhetoric is related to money and there isn't a lot of real world hard core data going back through the centuries.
We do know that the world has gotten warmer and colder throughout its existence. Pre-ice age it was quite warm to host the dinosaurs and all the greenery that produced the huge amounts of coal, oil, and gas. When the world cooled down and the ice age came that would have been something to see with ice over the central plains. Now, a warming cycle? Some say (and provide the facts to back it up), we are actually cooling down again.

The Tesla store in Calgary was quite busy, I assume with greenies and staunch conservationists, and the license plate was the first thing I saw...................."No Emissions". People will swallow that hook, line, and sinker and not even think about the emissions for production and/or operation. Electricity has to come from somewhere and most electrical production is spewing out emissions of some kind. Brad Wall has an neat idea with the cleaning up of emissions and not taxing people for carbon as we need to drive, work, recreate, heat our homes in winter, cool them in the summer, and move all the goods what we consume and produce across this vast country.

Im guessing we do have a small effect. Is there a realistic solution? No. Especially not a carbon tax. Like Teeroy said, this is all about posturing and money. If Canada wanted to implement something that might actually make a difference then implement a heavy tariff on products from countries like China. I believe they produce somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of the worlds man made carbon. Canada produces 1.6%. Even if we reduce ours by 25% (which is totally unrealistic...especially from a tax), it will make no meaningful difference.

I believe in reducing pollution, but honestly dont consider carbon a pollution. If only we could invent something that would grow naturally, suck up carbon, and produce oxygen. Then we would be really set.

ferniesnow said:

Good ol' Saskatchewan has the best thinking; instead of a carbon tax use an incentive to cleanup the emissions. Provide grants for the innovators of cleaner emissions. I agree, that most of the rhetoric is related to money and there isn't a lot of real world hard core data going back through the centuries.
We do know that the world has gotten warmer and colder throughout its existence. Pre-ice age it was quite warm to host the dinosaurs and all the greenery that produced the huge amounts of coal, oil, and gas. When the world cooled down and the ice age came that would have been something to see with ice over the central plains. Now, a warming cycle? Some say (and provide the facts to back it up), we are actually cooling down again.

The Tesla store in Calgary was quite busy, I assume with greenies and staunch conservationists, and the license plate was the first thing I saw...................."No Emissions". People will swallow that hook, line, and sinker and not even think about the emissions for production and/or operation. Electricity has to come from somewhere and most electrical production is spewing out emissions of some kind. Brad Wall has an neat idea with the cleaning up of emissions and not taxing people for carbon as we need to drive, work, recreate, heat our homes in winter, cool them in the summer, and move all the goods what we consume and produce across this vast country.

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Really couldn't have said it better. The climate is changing, that is certain, the big question is if it is a natural cycle or man made. Personally i am working a lot in the methane reduction field right now and to me the science shows that man is definitely not helping things but we also are not the main cause. I have seen data that shows the temperature increase and decrease happens BEFORE the CO2 change which is opposite of what governments want us to think. Right now we are sitting at a record high CO2 level of around 400ppm, the governement wants us to be at 200ppm, the issue i see is that plant life ceases to exist at around 150ppm which would be a much larger issue in my opinion. CO2 should be celebrated in a way as it is what drives plant life, more CO2 equals a greener planet (to a certain extent). This is why greenhouses pump CO2 into the air to help the plants grow.

I heard one statistic that in 2015 more CO2 was generated just by the handling and transfer of data than the entire world made in emissions back in the 80's. Think we can get the greenies to stop using the internet? How about the wind turbines murdering birds like the Duck Dynasty guys on meth? Nope, lets not talk about that but then fine Suncor when some ducks land in a tailings pond. The Left side really seems insanely irrational when it comes to this Captain Planet movement.

We really can very easily reduce unneeded emissions like methane, which is 25 times more harmful than CO2, so that is a pretty easy focus. This won't be reduced due to taxation however, like Ferniesnow said, it would be reduced by incentives.

Tesla, well, i believe that the marketing of those cars has so many people buffaloed into thinking they are a zero emission vehicle since those same people believe that electricity is a magical thing that appears from the wall and is nice and clean because you can't see it. Can we make vehicles that produce less emissions and have the same power, absolutely, Formula 1 is a perfect example of that (1.6L V6 turbo putting down 750HP plus 180Hp of electric boost) but the technology just isn't ready for consumer use as far as longevity and cost is concerned.

Here is a graph of the lillooet river discharge flow of the last 102 years. Pretty easy to see the effect. The glaciers around here are rapidly melting out and the sled season is starting later and ending sooner than ever before. Lots of guys on here think the world is 6000 years old too. Doubt many minds are going to be changed by this post.

There was cameras setup on major glaciers world wide. The melt rate has increased considerably.

Has anyone watched cowspiracy, they are claiming livestock emits more greenhouse gasses than all the world's vehicles combined.

I think a person would have to be pretty ignorant to assume the way we pollute(globally) isn't a negative effect on the earth. There is no doubt we could clean up the way we do things...

But that doesn't mean we are the sole contributors to climate change. The ice core samples from Greenland shows prior to 12900 years ago out planet fluctuated much more dramatically then now. There was also a time when then earth was about 7-8 degrees warmer and humans flourished. That was when there use to be a 2 mile think glacier over Canada. I'll try and find the graph that shows this. The oceans were 400ft lower too.

Again a person would have to be really ignorant to think a carbon tax is going to reverse anything. All a carbon tax does is prevent smaller energy companies from starting up and becoming competition from the big boys...

People are simple creatures, all we need is positive incentives rather then punishment and we will do lots of good things.

Absolutely we are contributing to global pollution but we most definitely aren't the major cause like we are led to believe. Glaciers are melting and temperatures are rising, this has happened before and the reverse will happen again as it is the natural cycle of the earth. We may be speeding up this cycle but that is a byproduct of many things including global population growth.

The other thing to think about in this is the quality of life and global population versus pollution. If we just say that we are polluting more than in the 1800's or 1900's without looking at the fact that the global population has increased significantly since that time as well as the increase in per capita income, life expectancy, and overall quality of life then we aren't looking at the whole picture. Without the use of fossil fuels we would not be living the lives we are currently. Technology will get better and we will be able to make use of alternative energy (i refuse to call it Green energy) alongside our reliable fossil fuels to make cleaner and more efficient energy, i just don't see eliminating fossil fuels completely as being a realistic answer as we sit today or even in the next 30 years.

Can we do more to assist in reducing the global emissions? Absolutely. Will taxing Canadians actually make an impact? Not a chance, all that will do is give the left more of our money to waste and create jobs that are reliant on the government then say that creating these jobs made the tax revenue neutral.

Like Merc said, the methane pollution from cows globally far outweighs the methane emissions that we are causing from the oilfield and associated industries. I sure as hell know i am not giving up steak........