Nuance Speakers

Cat401 · Mar 3, 2009

Hi Ashley,

So sorry to read the news on your Dad. I actually had the opportunity to talk with him a few years back when I was having a bit of a service issue with Internation Stereo. Like him, I do not give up too easy and when I was getting no where with International Stereo, I started going higher up the ladder. I left him a rather sharp but to the point email about the lack of service with his product. A couple of days later, I received a call from Florida - it was George Baker himself - the CEO of Nuance. He was quite a firecracker. You could tell he was ticked with International Stereo on having to directly deal with this problem - this is why you set up a dealer network. But, he followed through and within days got me results that was otherwise taking me weeks. :clapping:

He, as you well know, designed quite a spectacular product. With my Harmon Kardon AVR85 powering the front Spatial Baby Grand 3D's and rear Spatial Grand 3CL's with Spatial centre, we not only hear the sound, we fell the sound! Our home theatre sound, even though it is about 12 years old is still second-to-none! :perfect10:

You should be proud of your Dad, he left quite a legacy. :beer:

intmid8or! · Mar 4, 2009

I also have Nuance speakers..... only difference is mine were FREE! Used to work at International (a long time ago), taught to give customers the whole speech about spatial imaging and play the "pefect" tunes to give that effect that gave you the impression that you were listening to a high end speaker. Huge margins on Nuance, which allowed me to get mine through sales spiffs. I do believe Nuance was also associated with Sound Dynamics which were big on bass and a box of garbage....
So if I sold you Nuance, likely with a H&K "discreet" amp, and over financed you to the point that you are still paying for them at 28%, sorry, was just doing my job.

Daughter-of-Nuance · Mar 4, 2009

Cat401 said:
Hi Ashley,
So sorry to read the news on your Dad. I actually had the opportunity to talk with him a few years back when I was having a bit of a service issue with Internation Stereo. Like him, I do not give up too easy and when I was getting no where with International Stereo, I started going higher up the ladder. I left him a rather sharp but to the point email about the lack of service with his product. A couple of days later, I received a call from Florida - it was George Baker himself - the CEO of Nuance. He was quite a firecracker. You could tell he was ticked with International Stereo on having to directly deal with this problem - this is why you set up a dealer network. But, he followed through and within days got me results that was otherwise taking me weeks.

He, as you well know, designed quite a spectacular product. With my Harmon Kardon AVR85 powering the front Spatial Baby Grand 3D's and rear Spatial Grand 3CL's with Spatial centre, we not only hear the sound, we fell the sound! Our home theatre sound, even though it is about 12 years old is still second-to-none!

You should be proud of your Dad, he left quite a legacy.

:d Thank you! Thank you for telling your story because I have many memories of my Dad communicating directly with his consumers and giving them the help they needed because he did have a life time warranty. Its unfortunate that some people got bad service from some stores and then blamed that on my Dad. I remember when I was visiting my Dad down in Florida a few years back a Nuance costomer was the topic of discussion at dinner, as often these great kind of conversations were. I remember him telling me that this guy loved his speakers but hated the run around he was getting and that my Dad was excited to help him. He loved it when people contacted him directly because he knew he would be able to help them like no other company could. My Dad HATED bad costomer service, so he wanted to treat his costomers the way he would want to be treated. A good motto to live by.

Thank you for your kind words, I really appreciate it. The pain from loosing such a great friend and father is...well, no words can describe. However, when I do hear how he had a positive impact on someones life, it makes me so happy. I feel as though they too understood that my Dad really wanted to help people in his own way. So, Thank you.

Cat401 · Mar 4, 2009

intmid8or! said:
I also have Nuance speakers..... only difference is mine were FREE! Used to work at International (a long time ago), taught to give customers the whole speech about spatial imaging and play the "pefect" tunes to give that effect that gave you the impression that you were listening to a high end speaker. Huge margins on Nuance, which allowed me to get mine through sales spiffs. I do believe Nuance was also associated with Sound Dynamics which were big on bass and a box of garbage....
So if I sold you Nuance, likely with a H&K "discreet" amp, and over financed you to the point that you are still paying for them at 28%, sorry, was just doing my job.

Don'y worry about me, I paid CASH! I was shopping for a Harmon Kardon pkg - Amp, CD player, etc. The only part of the purchase that I regret is dealing with the "scripted" sales pitch from the guys at International Stereo, but at that time Harmon Kardon was only sold through that 1 dealer in Edmonton. I am also in the sales field (not stereo equipment) and proud to say that there are company's out there that deal with honestly and integrity - this was International Stereo's biggest downfall. Probably 90% of my sales are return customers. My conscience does not bother me as I do not have to apologize to my customers that I "fleeced" them. I don't have to duck into corners and avoid eye contact when I see my customers. I guess that is why some company's stay in business for many years (honesty & integrity) and others like Int Stereo (lies & bullch!t) just fade away. What goes around comes around - there are consequences for everything. Nuance just happened to be the speakers that the Harmon Kardon dealer was selling. Did I see through your flaky sales pitch? - in 2 seconds, but I was set on buying Harmon Kardon. Did I pay too much? - possibly. Are there better sounding speakers out there? - probably. Am I happy with my product? - you bet! Twelve years later and they still sound as good as the day I bought them - they can't be all that bad. :d:d

Daughter-of-Nuance · Mar 4, 2009

I loved Harmon Kardon's receivers back in the day, they were one of the best imo. I think they are made in Asia somewhere now and I have noticed a huge drop in their quality over the last few years :-(

My HK receiver that I got over 12 years ago is awesome still, so I have to agree with you on that one.

OverBore · Mar 5, 2009

Daughter-of-Nuance said:
I loved Harmon Kardon's receivers back in the day, they were one of the best imo. I think they are made in Asia somewhere now and I have noticed a huge drop in their quality over the last few years :-(

My HK receiver that I got over 12 years ago is awesome still, so I have to agree with you on that one.

I call BS on your you. Why would you appear on a sled and atv site with a small thread on speakers. nuance speakers where heavily marked up to appear as a high end speaker. they were really junk sold by the flee market known as "International Stereo" (RIP)

If they were good, they would have been sold by Audio 5.1 or other high end retailers instead of the costco of electronics.

Daughter-of-Nuance · Mar 5, 2009

OverBore said:
I call BS on your you. Why would you appear on a sled and atv site with a small thread on speakers. nuance speakers where heavily marked up to appear as a high end speaker. they were really junk sold by the flee market known as "International Stereo" (RIP)

If they were good, they would have been sold by Audio 5.1 or other high end retailers instead of the costco of electronics.

Why would you say RIP if you didn't like that store?

I personally have never been to International so I will not post my opinion on something I have no personal experience with...unlike you.

If you heard Nuance, you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself by saying such things. Although you are transferring your dislike for a store and generalizing that ALL of their brands MUST have been junk if they were selling them. That generalization is a huge misconception. Even "costco" sells some good things along with their Chinese junk imo.

Nuance was/is sold in many high end stores across Canada and I am sorry that some of them had bad customer service. Its hard to know, as a distributor in Ontario, that a store in Edmonton isn't loved by all of its locals. I have met many sales men that worked in International and most of them did enjoy their experience and learned a lot...of course with all web forums, only the disgruntled ones tend to make posts.

Anyways, its in the past now. I say, don't judge the quality of electronics by the store that sells it but by the quality of its performance. Nuance was NEVER made in China and always manufactured in Canada...that I can always say, I am very proud of. Nuance employed Canadians and NEVER outsourced jobs.

Can you say that of the electronics you love?

No, I didn't think so.

As for why I started posting on this forum...I already stated that in my first post so go read it for your answer.

Summitric · Mar 6, 2009

OverBore said:
I call BS on your you. Why would you appear on a sled and atv site with a small thread on speakers.QUOTE]

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU READ FURTHER BACK TO HER FIRST POST, AS TO WHY SHE STUMBLED ACROSS OUR HUMBLE LITTLE SITE. THEN I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE CALLING BS.....

I BOUGHT SEVERAL "BIG TICKET" ITEMS AT INTERNATIONAL STEREO AND NEVER, EVER HAD A PROBLEM. MY FIRST HARMON KARDON STEREO HAD NUANCE SPEAKERS AND I LOVED THEM, UNTIL MY SYSTEM WAS LOST IN A HOUSE FIRE

INTERNATIONAL STEREO WAS ONLY ONE DISTRIBUTOR OF NUANCE IN CANADA, AND LIKE ANY LARGE "BOX" STORE CAN HAVE SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE PROBLEMS, BUT THAT PERCENTAGE IS USUALLY QUITE SMALL....

"DAUGHER-OF-NUANCE", THANKS FOR POSTING, AS ITS VERY INTERESTING READING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

JUST MY 2 CENTS......... CHEERZ:d

bubs · Mar 13, 2009

I'm just curious Ashley if your dad was so into customer service why did I get a PFO from his company when I tryed to get "customer service"
Yes I realize he couldn't help everybody, but he should have realized what was going on when so many people were making complaints, and done something about it.

Daughter-of-Nuance · Mar 13, 2009

Hey Bubs,

I dont know what a PFO is. I wasnt working with my Dad, I just was his daughter and his biggest fan. You will have to excuse my ignorance but around the dinner table growing up I heard many stories about how he was able to help someone. I also over heard him on many phone conversations with people, store owners, distributors etc. You have to understand, Nuance was his LIFE. I mean, he was a great Dad but my Mom and I knew that business came first. I loved and was inspired by how dedicated he was. I am truly sorry that you had a bad experience. I know 100% today if my Dad was still alive and he heard from you, he would have done everything in his power to help you. This was his character. I wish there was something I could do to ratify your past situation, go back in time somehow...i wish everyday I could go back and get one last hug from him. That may be to sappy for your forums.

My advice is, live every day to its fullest, LOVE everyone openly with your whole heart. Tomorrow it could all be gone.

Thats what I loved about sledding with my Mom and Dad growing up. You really do live in the moment when you are out on those trails, eh?!

:canadaflag:

boots · Mar 13, 2009

i love my baby grand 3d's haven't had a problem with them at all since i bought them.... i hope to see that they come back to edmonton

OverBore · Mar 13, 2009

Daughter-of-Nuance said:
Why would you say RIP if you didn't like that store?

I personally have never been to International so I will not post my opinion on something I have no personal experience with...unlike you.

If you heard Nuance, you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself by saying such things. Although you are transferring your dislike for a store and generalizing that ALL of their brands MUST have been junk if they were selling them. That generalization is a huge misconception. Even "costco" sells some good things along with their Chinese junk imo.

Nuance was/is sold in many high end stores across Canada and I am sorry that some of them had bad customer service. Its hard to know, as a distributor in Ontario, that a store in Edmonton isn't loved by all of its locals. I have met many sales men that worked in International and most of them did enjoy their experience and learned a lot...of course with all web forums, only the disgruntled ones tend to make posts.

Anyways, its in the past now. I say, don't judge the quality of electronics by the store that sells it but by the quality of its performance. Nuance was NEVER made in China and always manufactured in Canada...that I can always say, I am very proud of. Nuance employed Canadians and NEVER outsourced jobs.

Can you say that of the electronics you love?

No, I didn't think so.

As for why I started posting on this forum...I already stated that in my first post so go read it for your answer.

Nuance daughter;

I have a few words for you.
1. If its "in the past now", stop your speaker ramblings on an off-road vehicle site. You must be very busy because there is probably 100's of forums dealing with nuance speakers and you choose a sled and atv site.

2. Do not say I am making a fool of myself. I have heard nuance speakers and they are fine for a while but were overpriced for the actual product.

3. When you say: "don't judge the quality of electronics by the store that sells it but by the quality of its performance." I must comment that the store is not responsible for the defective speakers in this thread but rather the manufacture, NUANCE. Both of which are nolonger in business today. Nuance is not there to honor the warranties.

In closing, I think daughter of nuance is not real. I am sorry that her father may have passed away but it is of no concern to me.

In fact, I am not Overbore. I am actually Donald Trump just having some fun with a bunch of western Canadian rednecks. LOL

bubs · Mar 17, 2009

A PFO is the more politically correct form of saying Please F#$k Off, which I received from every person I contacted at Nuance.

Anyways, whatever I don't even care anymore...I think I feel like a really loud campfire...burn the speakers.

.08rider · Mar 18, 2009

OverBore said:
Nuance daughter;

I have a few words for you.
1. If its "in the past now", stop your speaker ramblings on an off-road vehicle site. You must be very busy because there is probably 100's of forums dealing with nuance speakers and you choose a sled and atv site.

2. Do not say I am making a fool of myself. I have heard nuance speakers and they are fine for a while but were overpriced for the actual product.

3. When you say: "don't judge the quality of electronics by the store that sells it but by the quality of its performance." I must comment that the store is not responsible for the defective speakers in this thread but rather the manufacture, NUANCE. Both of which are nolonger in business today. Nuance is not there to honor the warranties.

In closing, I think daughter of nuance is not real. I am sorry that her father may have passed away but it is of no concern to me.

In fact, I am not Overbore. I am actually Donald Trump just having some fun with a bunch of western Canadian rednecks. LOL

Here Here, Overbore!!!!! Or Sir Donald!
I too believe that this Daughter is a farce! I second all the other intelligent people on here that know the nuance speaker overpriced junk no warranty scam. If you want to buy high end electronics you do not go to a store that sells anything but! The pitch from the guys at International was great, but garbage! They knew less about electronics than my Mr.Patatoe Head doll. The money anyone spent on Nuance speakers was a total waste, you could have turned that money into a great system from a bussiness like Audio Ark who is a locally owned bussiness with top quality service and gear. You want warranty look at Bryston, a little more money but Canadian made with a builtproof "if we made it we will fix it warranty!" They have been producing high end audio for over 25 years and will fix anything they have ever made. Yes they do not produce speakers, but Audio Ark sells top names in the speaker world as well, my first "high end" stereo was from them and not one problem in 15 years, thats what you get when you buy from a professional company that has been in bussiness for 20 plus years, it is called quality, service and Knowledge of the products they sell. I have since bought a new system of very high end equipment and yes it was a lot of money, but you get what you pay for! In the day of my first "high end" system it was cheaper than anything at International and I still have it, and my 2B Bryston amp still has warranty.
For all others there is only one name in speakers in my opinion and it is FOCAL!
you want quality it will cost you, but Nuance charged the same, and are no longer, FOCAL has been a leader in tweeter and crossover technology for over 30 years,not to mention cabinet and woofer design, and at an entry level, cost less than nuance did.
I do not know of one person in the high fidelity world that has even herd of Nuance, it was a great pitch that made someone (George Baker) a lot of money but like all scams comes to a close sooner than later! I still have pitty on anyone who through there hard earned money to this scam! Nuance was and always will be a landfill filler. Educate yourself before you buy anything of value and Nuance would have been less than your last choice! Not one quality speaker is made with a amp built in, sound quality starts with high end power, not a 3 dollar amp in a speaker.
In my opinion looking to fix a nuance speaker is like paying someone to kick you in the Jimmy! You wasted your money the first time why waste it again??
As the saying goes "a fool and his money will soon part" The only money anyone should ever spend a Nuance speaker would be to the landfill to let it rot with George Baker!

sledderdoc · Mar 18, 2009

OverBore said:
I call BS on your you. Why would you appear on a sled and atv site with a small thread on speakers. nuance speakers where heavily marked up to appear as a high end speaker. they were really junk sold by the flee market known as "International Stereo" (RIP)

If they were good, they would have been sold by Audio 5.1 or other high end retailers instead of the costco of electronics.

Good on you Overbore your absolutely right! Why would someone conveniently show up on this thread on a relatively small and obscure site! You can't believe everything you read! :beer:

:d

.08rider · Mar 18, 2009

Daughter-of-Nuance said:
Why would you say RIP if you didn't like that store?

I personally have never been to International so I will not post my opinion on something I have no personal experience with...unlike you.

If you heard Nuance, you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself by saying such things. Although you are transferring your dislike for a store and generalizing that ALL of their brands MUST have been junk if they were selling them. That generalization is a huge misconception. Even "costco" sells some good things along with their Chinese junk imo.

Nuance was/is sold in many high end stores across Canada and I am sorry that some of them had bad customer service. Its hard to know, as a distributor in Ontario, that a store in Edmonton isn't loved by all of its locals. I have met many sales men that worked in International and most of them did enjoy their experience and learned a lot...of course with all web forums, only the disgruntled ones tend to make posts.

Anyways, its in the past now. I say, don't judge the quality of electronics by the store that sells it but by the quality of its performance. Nuance was NEVER made in China and always manufactured in Canada...that I can always say, I am very proud of. Nuance employed Canadians and NEVER outsourced jobs.

Can you say that of the electronics you love?

No, I didn't think so.

As for why I started posting on this forum...I already stated that in my first post so go read it for your answer.

Ashley, You say that you would not comment on something you do not know about, well I am sorry but you are tone deaf! If you think Nuance had or has great sound you lived a very sheltered life being brain washed by your father. This company is no longer around soley because of the products they sold and had a very hard time standing behind. When every speaker they produced had some sort of defect or as many were told an abuse issue rather than a warranty issue. An Amplifier does not quit because of abuse, it quits because it is cheap and very poorly made, straight up a quality issue in the manufacturing stage! (money saved not for quality but to make someone rich)The whole Nuance sales pitch was nothing but great marketing, and International Stereos abilitity to finance anyone with a heart beat, selling way overpriced junk to people who could not afford to pay for it anyway. The rate and cost of fianancing and the margins obtained by this cheaply made crap all International needed was five payments, it covered the cost of all the products, and the other 31 payments were straight proffit for your fathers pockets. In any market a good business gamble. Every drug dealer in Edmonton had garages full of them, because International would sell to the addicts and they inturn trade them on something of value such as some Crack. No I am not an addict but I assure you that your fathers life work was a scam ripping of thousands of good god fearing people of their hard earned money, while helping the addicts feed there addictions. Straight up scam!

kgr · Mar 18, 2009

i just think Daughter of Nuance sounds cool. Say it a few times. Sounds kinda kinky in a wierd way.

Roots 72 · May 29, 2009

xtremegriz said:
Brought my speaker amp to A1 electronics today and he did what he could to try and fix it but he cross checked #'s on the circutry and no parts are available. So I thought why not just run all 4 subs off the one good amp? Works great! Rattles the closet doors and dims the lights! Just thought I'd mention this for other's with the Amp problem.:d

HI ! I've got the N-300 nuace speaker as well and to day i realized that the speakers in the back of my front speaker didn't work so i tried to call where i purchase the speakers in 2001 world sound and vision .. number not in service anymore and tryed nuances phone too and the same thing happend so decided to look for a answer and here i am ! Does some ones knows if the warranty still works or not? but if i want to plug both speakers into one amp the working one how can i do it?

RUDY · May 30, 2009

i think i seen them in Kingsway Mall,they aren't nearly as pushy as they were i'll tell you that much.Think i saw them on the lower lever on the south side...
Sell them buy Bose

4byrookie · May 31, 2009

I don't know what all the big deal is about, I have Nuance 3D spacial surround fronts(no amps in them just a tweeter a mid and 2 8" woofers), and the center and 2 surrounds to go with. Also added a cheap bottom end Yamaha subwoofer(2 years ago) and running it all on a 7.1 channel 700watt Yamaha amp(upgraded from the original techniques 500W 5.1 channel amp I bought with the nuance speaker in 1995) and it sounds just as good as some of the higher end brands. Yes they are not the worlds best speakers but after buying them in 1995 I have yet to have any problems to this day and still get exc. quality sound from them. I have heard other systems that people have paid up to 10g's+ and there is not that much of a difference in sound quality to justify the price difference. I do not deny that International Stereo was a rip off joint as I probably paid more for them than I should have but still paid way less than others that I know and got the same sound quality. As for all the guys that say International Stereo sold nothing but garbage, last I checked, Pioneer, Alpine, Phoenix Gold, JVC, JBL and many other brands are still considered some of the better brands and they were all sold there.

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