My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris

FoxTrot · 10-31-2009, 09:10 PM

Took the pipe off my girlfriends M8 to give it a good blasting and coat it today and found a nice surprise. Anyone else have issues resulting like this with their 800 Cat's?? The engine has just over 400km on it as well and most of the damage is on the left (clutch) side jug. The pin moved fine and the bearings look good but the piston is trashed and there are signs of heavy contact at the exhaust port then lightening up through the travel. The right side is only minor scuffing and the cross hatch is still visible but the piston will need to be replaced as well. I've got a few idea's but just wondering if this limited to my sled or not.

ttpowersports · 10-31-2009, 09:21 PM

that sucks,, what yr n when did u buy it? only prob with taking stuff down urself (if ur still on warranty) is its tough to ensure the reason for failure and get u warranty, if applicaple, check with ur dealer , any issues let us know, we could at the least give u a the S&M discount on the parts,.,,,

T

pipes · 10-31-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by FoxTrot

Took the pipe off my girlfriends M8 to give it a good blasting and coat it today and found a nice surprise. Anyone else have issues resulting like this with their 800 Cat's?? The engine has just over 400km on it as well and most of the damage is on the left (clutch) side jug. The pin moved fine and the bearings look good but the piston is trashed and there are signs of heavy contact at the exhaust port then lightening up through the travel. The right side is only minor scuffing and the cross hatch is still visible but the piston will need to be replaced as well. I've got a few idea's but just wondering if this limited to my sled or not.

hard to say but too me it looks like signs of cold seizing.

ttpowersports · 10-31-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by pipes

hard to say but too me it looks like signs of cold seizing.

i was thinking that, but my visions getting a bit blurry

teeroy · 10-31-2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by pipes

hard to say but too me it looks like signs of cold seizing.

I concur.....looks like it was halfway there.

FoxTrot · 10-31-2009, 09:44 PM

It's an 09 and since I bought it the dealership has been sold in the town I bought it from and the new owners aren't easy to deal with. I'm not sure what cold seizing is to be honest... I think it's the same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). The engine is still under warranty but I won't take the sled to the local dealer so I'll have to eat this one.

pipes · 10-31-2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by FoxTrot

It's an 09 and since I bought it the dealership has been sold in the town I bought it from and the new owners aren't easy to deal with. I'm not sure what cold seizing is to be honest... I think it's the same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). The engine is still under warranty but I won't take the sled to the local dealer so I'll have to eat this one.

same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp).

bummers

FoxTrot · 10-31-2009, 09:53 PM

If that's the case then what temperature and for how long should the engine run before going?? The only issue I have with the cold start is that I know every mile that was put on the sled. By any chance has anyone seen an engine damaged by overheating?? This was one issue we had when we first get the sled.

pipes · 10-31-2009, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by FoxTrot

If that's the case then what temperature and for how long should the engine run before going?? The only issue I have with the cold start is that I know every mile that was put on the sled. By any chance has anyone seen an engine damaged by overheating?? This was one issue we had when we first get the sled.

my experience with overheating is usually both cylinders and all four corners. but that's not to say, every situation is unique in it's own way.

FoxTrot · 10-31-2009, 10:25 PM

Yeah you're right... the scuffing does wrap around the piston more than the pictures show but the wear is more on the thrust faces of the cylinders and not all the way around. Sigh, if the damage is from riding it cold then I think I'm going to have to start it and leave it running the whole winter just to keep it warm enough or something. Oh well, guess it's time to break out the hone and order new pistons and rings.

Rucky · 10-31-2009, 11:26 PM

That's really weird. At my dealer, they haven't even seen the internals of an 800 engine yet!

Hudson_M1000 · 11-01-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by FoxTrot

It's an 09 and since I bought it the dealership has been sold in the town I bought it from and the new owners aren't easy to deal with. I'm not sure what cold seizing is to be honest... I think it's the same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). The engine is still under warranty but I won't take the sled to the local dealer so I'll have to eat this one.

Dude, you can take it to any dealer, anywhere. They have to fix it.

10-31-2009, 09:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
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pipes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bonnyville Alberta Posts: 4,469 Casino Cash: $2940099 Thanks: 429 Thanked 3,171 Times in 2,088 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Originally Posted by FoxTrot Took the pipe off my girlfriends M8 to give it a good blasting and coat it today and found a nice surprise. Anyone else have issues resulting like this with their 800 Cat's?? The engine has just over 400km on it as well and most of the damage is on the left (clutch) side jug. The pin moved fine and the bearings look good but the piston is trashed and there are signs of heavy contact at the exhaust port then lightening up through the travel. The right side is only minor scuffing and the cross hatch is still visible but the piston will need to be replaced as well. I've got a few idea's but just wondering if this limited to my sled or not. hard to say but too me it looks like signs of cold seizing. __________________ Our Father, who art on mountain Himark be thy name may snowfall come on mountain peeks and lower valleys give us this day blue bird skies and show us the way to abundant powder and lead us not into avalanche conditions but deliver us to eternal powder for thine is the powder the slope and the glory for ever and ever HIMARK __________________

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teeroy Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Grimshaw Posts: 1,406 Casino Cash: $75620 Thanks: 485 Thanked 700 Times in 448 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Originally Posted by pipes hard to say but too me it looks like signs of cold seizing. I concur.....looks like it was halfway there. __________________ Originally Posted by snotrocket Yaah FLAMES fans aren't the brightest bulbs Originally Posted by IMSICK ha..... Your own little colony.... Snotterites

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pipes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bonnyville Alberta Posts: 4,469 Casino Cash: $2940099 Thanks: 429 Thanked 3,171 Times in 2,088 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Originally Posted by FoxTrot It's an 09 and since I bought it the dealership has been sold in the town I bought it from and the new owners aren't easy to deal with. I'm not sure what cold seizing is to be honest... I think it's the same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). The engine is still under warranty but I won't take the sled to the local dealer so I'll have to eat this one. same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). bummers __________________ Our Father, who art on mountain Himark be thy name may snowfall come on mountain peeks and lower valleys give us this day blue bird skies and show us the way to abundant powder and lead us not into avalanche conditions but deliver us to eternal powder for thine is the powder the slope and the glory for ever and ever HIMARK __________________

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FoxTrot Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brule,Ab Posts: 22 Casino Cash: $52300 Thanks: 6 Thanked 22 Times in 6 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris If that's the case then what temperature and for how long should the engine run before going?? The only issue I have with the cold start is that I know every mile that was put on the sled. By any chance has anyone seen an engine damaged by overheating?? This was one issue we had when we first get the sled.

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pipes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bonnyville Alberta Posts: 4,469 Casino Cash: $2940099 Thanks: 429 Thanked 3,171 Times in 2,088 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Originally Posted by FoxTrot If that's the case then what temperature and for how long should the engine run before going?? The only issue I have with the cold start is that I know every mile that was put on the sled. By any chance has anyone seen an engine damaged by overheating?? This was one issue we had when we first get the sled. my experience with overheating is usually both cylinders and all four corners. but that's not to say, every situation is unique in it's own way. __________________ Our Father, who art on mountain Himark be thy name may snowfall come on mountain peeks and lower valleys give us this day blue bird skies and show us the way to abundant powder and lead us not into avalanche conditions but deliver us to eternal powder for thine is the powder the slope and the glory for ever and ever HIMARK __________________ Last edited by pipes; 11-01-2009 at 07:43 AM..

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FoxTrot Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brule,Ab Posts: 22 Casino Cash: $52300 Thanks: 6 Thanked 22 Times in 6 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Yeah you're right... the scuffing does wrap around the piston more than the pictures show but the wear is more on the thrust faces of the cylinders and not all the way around. Sigh, if the damage is from riding it cold then I think I'm going to have to start it and leave it running the whole winter just to keep it warm enough or something. Oh well, guess it's time to break out the hone and order new pistons and rings.

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Rucky Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hilliard, Alberta Posts: 1,445 Casino Cash: $803190 Thanks: 973 Thanked 352 Times in 278 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris That's really weird. At my dealer, they haven't even seen the internals of an 800 engine yet! __________________ Shane. 2010 M8 SP 153" "These mountains were put here for us to enjoy." -Jared Sessions

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Hudson_M1000 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Red Deer Posts: 18 Casino Cash: $19100 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts No Classified Ratings	Re: My Arctic Cat wants to be a Polaris Originally Posted by FoxTrot It's an 09 and since I bought it the dealership has been sold in the town I bought it from and the new owners aren't easy to deal with. I'm not sure what cold seizing is to be honest... I think it's the same thing as a cold start (loading unit while not up to temp). The engine is still under warranty but I won't take the sled to the local dealer so I'll have to eat this one. Dude, you can take it to any dealer, anywhere. They have to fix it.

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